@jthrash you mean the stupid protests? That ain't a big deal, brazilian people will pay to fix it through the taxes and the political scenario will still be the same, maybe some opressive laws with the excuse to avoid things like those stupids. That was actually funny, i would love to write a text about those stupid protests that have been happening since october and now this drastic action happened. Also if you see bolsonaro there tell him i said "come back to brazil you asshole and deal with brazilian problems like a man, you coward chickenshit"
We gotta do the calculations something like that: you have 294 followers here at NG and you have been here since 2/4/19, it means you been here for 45 months, 294/44 = an average of 6 or 7 followers per month
While i have 275 followers and i'm here since 5/5/22, 8 months giving me an average of 34 or 35 followers per month.
Same can be done with any social media, youtube, twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.
It's better to use different social medias strategically, i have few lucky on twitter but i use it to talk to some guys/artists/allies who uses more twitter, same goes with instagram. Tik tok i found out it was not very good for me, so it is on hold, but i tried it and i may get back there
Unfortunately we gotta use those social medias, we are living in a system controlled by multinational corporations, tycoons and politicians controlled by multinational corporations and tycoons. As much as i hate goons like mark zuckerberg, elon musk, google sponsors, etc i still gotta use their medias if i want to use some media.
If you want to get into facebook i can give you some tips to meet new people and promote your stuff there.
I personally wouldn't get into NSFW business, it's not the kind of art i want to do, but it seens a little easier to sell as there is many people addicted to porn nowadays.
Yeah, the most important thing about the social media is not to have the social media but to keep it active and be active on the community so you can meet people and people can meet you (followers, customers, allies, potential followers, customers, allies, etc)
I'm very casual on my facebook and newgrounds, but when i get into a private facebook group and when i'm dealing with a customer i gotta be professional, talk about the job stuff and ting
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I think my problem with how I handle my social media stuff is simply I'm all over the place with my art, dabbling in everything from pixel art to traditional paper-and-pen art to 2D and 3D animation. I'm one of those "jack of all trades" (decent at a lot of things, great at nothing) and I think I would improve and gain followers faster simply by focusing more--I can still dabble in whatever art technique I'm curious about in my free time, but I don't have to upload every little doodle I do and I need to fix the problem of people not knowing whether to come for me for comics, or animations, or RPG Maker games. I might temporarily lose followers that way, though
--FlikkiShassArt used to communicate with me as much as you do now until I abandoned making the comics they seemed to have loved so much, although I think he or she still technically follows me--but it is a small price to pay to finally have a consistent "brand" and finally be a master at something. I don't want to pigeon-hole myself and just draw one thing all the time, that would get boring and too "specialized," but at the very least I should pick one art style and stick with it for a while.
I could try to get better about using my existing accounts (besides Newgrounds, that includes YouTube, Discord, LinkedIn and Ko-fi). I've had much better luck on Instagram, which is owned by Meta/Facebook, simply by participating in community stuff like the "InkTober" challenge, so maybe I could just go back there and participate in their art challenges again even if it requires me to get a Facebook account again either way. Of course, none of this may matter after getting another job, since I will probably have to go quiet for a while on all social media while that job sucks away all my time. But considering how animation contracts work in the US, I will be back and need to rebuild my audience yet again, so still, thanks for the tips and "hard truths", hopefully I won't have to consider retail and grocery jobs I that I now hate as much in the future with a decent Internet freelance presence to fall back on!
@jthrash yeah i think it's important to keep some standards so people can know what to expect from you, i choose always digital (since 2014 i have not drawing on paper), EOFS, art on an artstyle similar to EOFS and with things you would see on EOFS (guns, sharp nails and fangs, etc), people can also expect from me some crazy posts with some memes, some antics, some politics or some crazy conspiracy theories references.
and yeah using the social medias strategically is very good, there are opportunities and interesting people to meet on all of them.
That's one of the reasons i take so seriously my stuff, promotion of my stuff, etc, it's in order to live out of my art and animations, actually i'm only getting indirect money from EOFS, like doing illustrations/animations errands for people who liked my animations/art style, my goal is to get famous enough to get direct money from it, through donations, maybe trademark it, etc. As much as i liked to work on the pizza parlor or loading and unloading a truck with furniture, etc there was a lot of things i didn't like about regular jobs, like the few payment, customers and bosses that could be annoying, etc, so i gotta work hard on being a freelancer
It seems nowadays you're either forced to make money at your craft or to just live in a continuous life of mediocrity and constant penny-pinching. What if I just want enough money and to continue doing the things I love without the constant worrying about stuff like bills and such? Why is it so hard to rise up in the land of opportunity? Why is it so hard to leave this "land of the free"? These are questions I no longer concern myself with too much since there's really nothing I can do besides just what needs to be done to attain my vision of a good life for myself, and that first step is fixing my internal world before putting focus on this often silly material world.
I have to do this stuff because I went to an expensive art college and it's not exactly a trivial matter to change to a more stable career path that will fund my art as a hobby, at least. Sounds like you're going through some things (or played Disco Elysium), I hope you can figure it out, because honestly this is something between you and your therapist (if you hopefully have one), an Internet stranger like me can't help with this and may even unintentionally do more harm than good.
@jthrash Oh, no. I'm fine actually. I'm just stating the circumstances that life offers currently. You need to be happy internally, cause the external world is not going to change for you, you need to be the change.
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yeah newgrounds is a great site sometimes i just want to spend hours and hours looking at stuff here and talking to people. Youtube having all this censorship and boycott on smaller content creators because of the damn multinational corporations, the corporations doesn't want their stupid ads on videos with swearing, blood, etc. The famous ones on youtube gotta stop using those things if they want their videos monetized and recommended and the smaller ones can't use it if they want to get on the algorithm recommendation, so everyone gets limited on the boring ass politically correct stuff.
To have a succesful business you gotta be good on 3 things: on the stuff you do, on the promotion of the stuff you do and on dealing with people (customers, potential customers, followers, potential followers, allies, potential allies, etc).
"Or they come from a notoriously economically-unstable country like Brazil or Turkey" hehe
"All I ask from you is if there is any way I could improve my "marketability" on Newgrounds". Some months ago i heard from an artist that newgrounds ain't a good place to sell stuff, i personally agree with that as it doesn't get much visibility as a twitter or a facebook and many of the people here are teenagers. Most of my customers are from facebook or an artist/animator friend "well i can't do that but i think i know a guy who can".
I think facebook is a good option to promote stuff, meet new people, post on private groups and such as facebook is my strongest social media, having about 2900 followers there and more adults use the facebook
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I read some stuff in the news about Brazil yesterday, and uh, let's just say I'm glad you have a sense of humor about that, clearly I was being a bit insensitive with that "economically unstable" line.
You're probably right about Newgrounds, though ironically I've gotten the majority of my commissions so far here. Still, I'm not quite up to 300 followers here while I have gotten 350+ followers on YouTube without even trying or uploading on a consistent schedule, so clearly the "Follower" ceiling on the more "corporate" social media sites is much higher than Newgrounds or any other site I actually enjoy. Not sure if Facebook will work for me, though--besides the fact that I don't necessarily want to support a site that I feel is making the older people in my life stupider and more obnoxious with their opinions (and I live in a very "old" part of the country, so...), my art only ever seems to be "Liked" and viewed by my own mother and maybe one of my Aunts, no matter how much I post and how much I improve.
I've obviously debated doing NSFW stuff, since obviously 18+ sites tend to be filled with adults with way more money to spend on artists who let them indulge in their sick kicks (though obviously I will use a completely different username and not want to do anything illegal). But I can't comfortably draw such stuff until I live on my own without my parents constantly walking into my room like the overbearing Mom in Pixar's Turning Red. That would actually have to wait until after I make a fairly-stable income doing art all the time.
The good news is that, based on some career advice I've been hearing lately (mostly from Flipped Normals, an excellent YouTube podcast for 3D artists), social media is not THAT important outside of networking with people for potential remote work. Obviously, it's difficult to make time for both succeeding in the American animation industry (where I have to get good at animating simple, kid-friendly cartoons for the likes of Disney and Nickelodeon) and doing well on the Internet (where drawing fat anime girls and the...OTHER kind of inflation is the order of the day, except on YouTube where you probably should just give up because COPPA and YouTube Kids demonitizes kid-friendly stuff while their most recent change demonitizes stuff that appeals to teenagers and adults), and for all my problems I have with Hollywood and LA, do I REALLY want to have my livelihood dependent on the arbitrary decisions of YouTube, ArtStation and especially Elon Musk on Twitter? At least LA has all these unions to protect us from the worst kinds of exploitation from our employers, especially in the animation industry which has been unionized since the 1940's.
So unfortunately I can't just swear off trying to succeed in social media entirely for the sake of my career, plus I probably need to find some more "adult-oriented" mainstream site than Newgrounds if I want to make a couple bucks here on the Internet in between jobs. But at least I can be more casual about it since the Internet is just there to help me make friends and network for the jobs I really want.